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Thursday, September 25th, 2008
Posted by Ryan Divish @ 05:41:47 pm

Ok, well, our competitor had a story in today's paper about some of the Mariners not being too fond of Ichiro Suzuki. In the story, an anonymous clubhouse source had a few quotes that were pretty eye-opening.

“I just can’t believe the number of guys who really dislike him,” said one clubhouse insider. “It got to a point early on when I thought they were going to get together and go after him.”

The coaching staff and then-manager John McLaren intervened when one player was overheard talking — in reference to Ichiro — about wanting to “knock him out.” A team meeting was called to clear the air.

Ok, so obviously that was the topic that manager Jim Riggleman addressed in his pregame meeting with the media. Riggleman was quite candid and at time quite irritated about having to discuss such a topic. I'll add my own thoughts on this later.
Here's some of the highlights.

When you aren’t winning many games these type of games surface when a ball club loses a lot of games, you’re going to have some griping and fingerpointing and stuff like that.

But I can honestly tell you I don’t ever remember any time when I was coaching or managing here that anybody was at the point where somebody was going to go after somebody. I don’t think it got to that point.

A lot of those people who say those things need to look in the mirror about their own performances rather than putting it on somebody else but that comes with a losing a lot of games. You get a lot of negativity. The only way to fix that is not lose a lot of games.

When asked if some of the animosity was because Ichiro was the team's perceived superstar, Riggleman said this:

"It probably is. But you know everybody has some deficiencies starting at the top. We all have some deficiencies. I feel like I prepare myself as much as you can prepare for a ball game, but my preparation probably pales in comparison to Ichiro’s preparation.

I think you’ll find that if everybody prepared as hard and worked as hard as Ichiro and Ibanez we probably wouldn’t have lost so many games."

Why would someone say stuff like this?

Pettiness, seventh-grade mentality, just pettiness of whatever jealousy, pointing fingers, deflecting responsibility, lack of accountability, just a lack of a character.

These things happen when you’re losing; you’re not seeing that happen with winning teams now. But those winning teams go out and lose a couple games and you’ll see it.

And as the questions continued about leadership and other things, never really deviating from the overall subject, Riggleman grew more and more agitated about being stuck in this situation.

Your character is tested in the bad times, not good times. I feel like for the most our guys have held up very well, but there are examples of a lack of character when people take shots at each in the paper.

You get a feeling for who those people are and you try to eliminate those people

Here's my favorite ...

Rats are the first one of the ship. When the ship is sinking the rats are the first ones off. They’re the ones scavenging everything on the ship when it’s floating good and going good, but when it’s sinking the rats are the first ones to abandon the ship.

Talk is cheap. We can talk all about. We can talk and talk and talk about stuff like that. You can go on and on about somebody pointing fingers or whether somebody dind’t lead, all those things, but bottom line is we didn’t pitch good enough and we didn’t hit good enough. Those things supercede everything."

Finally, Riggleman, who knows that some of the pitchers have done some of the petty sniping in the press and behind closed doors, had something for them as well.

Out of 14 teams, we’re 11th in pitching. And I’ll guarantee some of those people pointing fingers are pitches, some of the sniping is going on it’s pitchers and then we’re 11th in pitching. I’d keep my mouth shut if I was somebody saying something and part of that staff. 11th in the league in pitching, I don’t think I’d be saying too much.

Categories: General 9 comments

COMMENTS:

ibew191 @ 18:22 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
Wow. That was intense.
SharkHawk @ 18:34 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
Riggleman has been put in a baaaaaad situation. Thank Bavasi and McLaren for both being so immensely poor at their respective jobs.

Bavasi assembled this horrible horrible team, and McLaren was too much of a puss to have any control whatsoever of the clubhouse.

You all see the end result.... the most monumental failure in the HISTORY OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. A $100 million plus payroll and over 100 losses. Absolutely pathetic. The saddest part... is that Howard Lincoln will answer for nothing. The man who claimed last year that his job was on the line, will do nothing but hide and continue in his role of destroying what was a solid franchise less than 5 years ago.
jasoninalaska @ 18:44 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
That's a bunch of crap about Ichiro. You know, I'd give the over priced starters on the pitching staff the heave ho, except for Hernandez and the rookies, because you know Silva is probably behind some of this.

Riggleman has been put in a bad spot, but I would have him coach again next year. With all the crap flying around, he's done a good job giving some opportunities to the rookies and call ups. Next year will be better, because it can't get any worse now.
moo @ 18:44 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
That rat picture is evil, it belongs in Nosferatu (along with Bavasi & Silva!)
SharkHawk @ 20:22 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
Of course Silva is behind it. Isn't he the one that couldn't win a game, but claimed he was going to put a hitter into a garbage can?

What a horrible signing by Bavasi. Howard Lincoln signed off on it. That alone should land Howie in the unemployment line.
kurtisballard @ 23:15 - Thursday, September 25th, 2008 Email
this is just sad.

this organization looks worse and worse everyday.

i had no idea things were this bad. makes me wish they would have left instead of the sonics.

chucko24 @ 04:41 - Friday, September 26th, 2008 Email
This team is in utter disaray and our absentee ownership is really disgusting. Seriously, I live in Tampa and we got rid of our crappy meddling owner for a new one only 2 years ago.....Well look at the results.(and a 26million dollar payroll) Attitude is a direct reflection of leadership. Our owners do not even care enough to come to a game let alone hold the fron office accountable. I wish Mr. Yomuri (?) would do the honerable thing and fall on a samurai sword and SELL the team to a local ownership group who will replace the front office and start all over. 2001 was nice that we had 8 all stars and won 116 games.....But we mad no moves to get it done at teh trading deadline and Lou Pinella had it. He left and we have been in a vacuum for leadership ever since. Sad day in Seattle. First the Sonics, now seems the Mariners we remeber are long gone.
Does anyone remember how fun the 95 M's were? Rememebr Refuse To Lose? We had attitude, we came back, guys cared. I am ashamed of this collection of bums and saddened at the state of Seattle Sports. When will we really have a championship team? It aint the Seahawks. It aint The Sonics (they are gone forever) and it surely aint the M's. Im truly saddened and angry these outsiders have taken away any hope of winning a championship here for a long time.
Squid @ 15:56 - Friday, September 26th, 2008 Email
Seriously Moo, one look at that rat photo and I couldn't finish the article. Blech. Now I need to brush my teeth.
SharkHawk @ 16:28 - Friday, September 26th, 2008 Email
Fall on a samurai sword? Come on.... leave that kind of crap in the 1950's where it belongs. You don't like what ownership is doing... fine. Nobody does. But to throw out comments like that just makes you look ignorant chucko.

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