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Seahawks Insider
Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008
Posted by Frank Hughes @ 04:13:30 pm

We wrote after the loss in Dallas that there was some questioning by the players' of the decision to not pressure Tony Romo earlier.

Today, we spoke with safety Deon Grant, who made the majority of the statements, and defensive coordinator John Marshall, presumably at whom the statements were aimed, and not surprisingly Grant has backed off the finger-pointing.

Grant said his comments were taken out of context. "When I say pressure, pressure means a guy in the quarterback's face," Grant said. "I don't talk about blitzes. Blitzes never came out of my mouth. It is pressure. Even if you are in the game on the front line, you have to make sure all the lanes is covered when that quarterback steps up in the hole you have a tackle or a D end looping around in the face. That is the key, you have to keep a guy in the quarterbacks' face. That is pressure. Pressure is not always blitzing. That's what some people think. Pittsburgh, that is the real definition of pressure. They got four turnovers and they barely blitzed. But they got pressure on the quarterback with them four guys they had and three guys they had rushing."

When asked if he was concerned about how his comments were portrayed in the media, he said yes: "I never mentioned John Marshall's name. Then I read the paper and see -- well, I didn't read the paper but I read the quotes -- and saw that that was what I was meaning about John. I didn't have a problem with what he called. Me and John have a great relationship. I tell the guys all the time: Forget what the call is, we have to go out here and execute individual plays."

[More:]

Here is the uncomfortable part. I fully understand that emotions are a bit raw after games and frustration levels are riding high, particularly after a 34-9 loss on national television. But I will say this for the reporters in that locker room after the game who reported -- consistently -- what was said: It was not taken out of context.

Here is the story I wrote, which includes almost all the Deon Grant quotes from the locker room:

IRVING, Texas – When the Seattle Seahawks’ season began, their defense, returning all 11 starters from a year ago, was supposed to be the strength of what is Mike Holmgren’s final season.
Eleven games later, it has been shredded on a weekly basis by opponents who often seem to know what it is doing before the players do.
On Thursday, after the Seahawks succumbed to the Dallas Cowboys, 34-9, several players said their defense has not been given the chance to be successful because it has been used improperly.
“I think with our defense this year, we knew what we had coming back and we didn’t know how to play to our strengths,” safety Deon Grant said. “And we are still figuring out what is our strength. Some of the players know what the strength is. Some of the coaches know what the strength is. We just haven’t put it together.”
When he was asked what the defense’s strength is, Grant declined to be specific.
“I can’t say it,” Grant said, “but of course I know.”
Linebacker Julian Peterson said the team’s strength is using its speed to pressure the quarterback on a consistent basis, something that has been only sporadic this season.
“Bringing pressure, bringing heat,” Peterson said. “Pressure busts pipes; that is anybody. I don’t care what kind of quarterback you got back there. If you bring heat, obviously it is a 50-50 chance that they pick it up and they got one-on-ones and they got the opportunity to make the big play. But if they don’t pick it up, it is big plays for us. So it is hit or miss. That is one of my strengths. We got good team speed, so we can do that.”
Neither Grant nor Peterson called out defensive coordinator John Marshall by name, but they were obviously frustrated that Marshall had them playing zone against Dallas early in the game, which allowed Tony Romo to complete 11 of his first 13 passes.
Romo moved the Cowboys up and down the field with ease, staking Dallas to a 21-3 lead. Only after Romo threw his second touchdown of the game to Jason Witten in the second quarter did the Seahawks blitz Romo and disrupt Dallas’ offense.
It was curious that the Seahawks came out in a zone defense because they did the same thing against Arizona two weeks ago and Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner had similar success. The Seahawks went to man-to-man coverage in the second half of that game, pressured Warner and had a chance to win.
“The times that (Romo) was sliding in and getting an open throw, we were in a zone,” Grant said. “When we had him man to man, we were in a lockdown. But when we were in a zone, he was finding openings and making it happen.”
Asked whether they should have gone to a different defensive scheme earlier than they did, Grant said, “That does not need to be said, but you know what we are talking about.”
Last week, Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he did not want to comment on the team’s future personnel moves. But on Thursday, after watching the defense surrender 447 yards, he changed that stance.
“It’s a little puzzling,” Holmgren said. “We haven’t generated turnovers and we haven’t seemed to get the pass rush going like we have in the past. I think we have to take a hard look at that side of the ball. And maybe changes are necessary next year.”
Grant said he did not think Holmgren was making a fair statement because he felt they haven’t been given a fair chance at showing what they can do.
“I will let them upstairs handle that ball,” Grant said. “But I know if we play to our strength we will kill any offense out there.”

Categories: Notes from practice 18 comments

COMMENTS:

BobbyK @ 16:31 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
"Forget what the call is, we have to go out here and execute individual plays."

I read that quote as Grant saying:

Hey guys, we know Marshall is going to make a bad call but we have to try our best anyways.



I've been as critical as anyone about Marshall this season but every once in awhile, as a DC, you need to expect that you can generate pressure from your front four. Our front four has been extremely pathetic this season. Every once in awhile you need to beat the man in front of you, afterall it's football, but our clowns can't seem to beat their man and we generate zero pass rush. I will give Mebane a break, because he's been such a stud in the running game and getting a constant push, but the rest of our defensive linemen have been pathetic.
tcbaytown @ 17:35 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
"Forget what the call is, we have to go out here and execute individual plays."

BobbyK, that's precisely why comments get taken out of context. The correct interpretation (from a positive perspective) would be that it doesn't matter what the play is, players still have to make plays. He is not saying to ignore the play called. He is saying players need to make plays, no matter what the call is.
IDHawkman @ 18:11 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
Sorry, but I agree with BobbyK. That is a backhanded slap at Marshall even if he didn't mean to throw him under the bus, he did it again.
GhostTackler @ 18:37 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
Well if throwing him under the bus is what is needed to figure it out faster than so be it. When Marshall has a game plan and it is not working, he needs to adjust it faster than he has been. Sure the players need to execute better, but Marshall needs to solve the problem faster. Not wait until the game is out of hand. Marshall is still the problem.
Sekolah @ 19:17 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
If it was indeed a back handed comment by Grant then what that tells me is that I am not alone in how frustrated I feel at times with the way John Marshall calls his defensive schemes. I see lack of aggression, I see personnel mismatches, I see a lack of creativity. Hell, the last time John Marshall did something creative or exotic with the defense was back in 2005 against the Panthers for the NFC Championship. Oh, never mind. That wasn't even an original idea of his own, it was merely something he copied and it worked.
tcbaytown @ 19:44 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
Grant has no reason to throw Marshall under the bus. He wants to win just like any other player. If you are to believe that this is an act of retaliation toward Marshall, then answer this question. In 2000, Deon Grant is a 2nd round pick of the Carolina Panthers. The DC at that time was John Marshall. Why does Grant come to Seattle if he has a problem with the way Marshall calls plays? ( And don't say he did it strictly for the money). Most of you are so blinded by your dislike for what has happened to the defense, Marshall is your only scapegoat. You probably get your wish when Marshall is not brought back in 2009, but with that attitude there will be somebody else who will take the fall without regard to the facts.
BobbyK @ 19:58 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
If we can't say he did it "strictly for the money" then what can we say?

Numbskull was the only GM willing to overpay that badly for him.

We've already gone over this before, in case you don't read the blog... Grant was given top 3 safety money even though he wasn't a top 15-20 safety in the NFL.

No other GM in the NFL was as dumb as Ruskell and Grant's agent knew it so they took the money and the rest is history...
FBGHooper @ 20:20 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
Mr. Hughes,

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I defended you on this blog when others ripped into you for not keeping the blog up to the same standard as it was previously under other beat reporters. But now, you've lost me.

You let your opinion show too much in your writing. In my opinion, that's a horrible awful quality. I didn't want to see it for a long time, but there it is. Being a beat reporter is about sharing information. That's it. Information. The more the better. Overload us with it. Please. We crave it year round. But that information shouldn't repeatedly be replete with your opinions and hunches. That's just poor journalism in my opinion. I need to stress that. My opinion. Others may disagree. They may like the entertainment side you're bringing to the blog, but I would rather not see it.

Take it heart or ignore it. It doesn't matter now. I'm not mad. I'm not really disappointed anymore. I'm ambivalent, and when your readers stop caring what you have to write, I suggest you take a long look in the mirror. Trying to create news and make it exciting is a dangerous road to travel down.

My suggestion: Take a long look at what other long term successful beat writers have done. Are you looking for a flash of entertainment value, or a career of respectable reporting?

Regards,
FBGHooper!
Sekolah @ 20:45 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
tcbay,
John Marshall is far from being a scapegoat. While I admit that some of the problem is talent related, there's a lot more of it that in my opinion is just bad coaching. Deon Grant was drafted by the Panthers in 2001. That was the last year Marshall served as Carolina's DC, so I'm not really seeing a strong correlation between the two. Are you to tell me that as a rookie, getting his feet wet in the NFL, that Deon Grant really knew much more about the system he was playing in and the man he playing for than was obvious? Which by the way, those were some pretty awful defenses during Marshall's time as Carolina's DC, the worst of which was his final year in '01.

Grant obviously came here for the lucrative deal we gave him, and for the chance play for a competitive team that was 2 years removed from the Superbowl.

Bobby,
I think you underestimate Deon Grant. While I don't think he's the best that there is, he's certainly better than what you are implying. Not even top 15 - 20? How do you figure? I'd say at the time of his signing, he was definitely top 10. Did we overpay? Probably, but there's a high premium on good safeties these days. And after what we went through in 2006 with giving up the deep ball, I am not sure Ruskell had much of a choice but to fix that problem.


Mr_Fish @ 21:20 - Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 Email
In today's NFL, contrary to what Marshall and his apologists are saying, it's usually NOT about winning one-on-one matchups. There's no percentage in that.

It's about scheming to get TWO-on-one matchups in your favor. You want one of the other team's linemen to be blocking air, and you want the running back kept in protection having to decide which of two defenders to block.

How often have we seen that from the Seahawks this year? Not very often.

The fact of the matter is that opposing teams all know how to block Marshall's schemes. His plays are not well-designed, and they don't make the best use of the talent he has on hand.

Here, go read this site and learn something useful about the game: http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/06/pass-protection-super-bowl-tom-brady.html
Sac_94 @ 00:29 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
If we let Grant play FS and roam the secondary, he WOULD be a top-5 Free Safety. As it is, we have a scrub playing FS because he is incapable of playing physically at the LOS so Grant gets pushed over to playing SS. Grant is a force playing the deep middle. He is best in a one-deep scheme where he can read the play and help where needed. That's his game and that's what he means when he says let the players play to their strenghts. IMO C.J. Wallace could play SS the same way Chris Horton does for Washington, up at the LOS man on the TE or RB or blitz... but he isn't capable YET of being trusted in a two-deep set. That is playing to the strengths of your team of your personnel. Marshall is forcing his system of zone on players who aren't very good at it (except Babineaux and Wilson). Jennings is much better in man coverage, Trufant excels in man, and that's what makes Peterson a freak, his ability to man up a running back or even a slot WR.
Sekolah @ 06:10 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Good stuff, Sac. Yeah, we definitely need to figure some things out at safety at the end of this season. Brian Russell is not the answer. I know that neither is really ready right now, but given the situation were in, I think it's time to see what Jamar Adams and/or C.J. Wallace can do. That safety from USC, Taylor Mays is starting to look like a very enticing choice for us in the 1st round of the 2009 draft. We keep up with these losses and we'll no doubt be in a high enough position to select him come April.

I never really understood why Peterson's role in coverage seemed to diminish the moment he got here. I would hope that Mora will mandate to his DC that Peterson's versatility is made use of more often instead of just putting him in a 3-point stance on passing downs. I understand that he's one of our best pass rushers, but why not take a LB like LeRoy Hill and use him more exclusively as a pass rusher when clearly that seems to be what he does much better than pass coverage?
BobbyK @ 07:18 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Very good points from the last bloggers. That's the kind of stuff I like to read (though I don't agree that Grant is a top 5 safety in the NFL even if he moves from SS to FS).
nighthawk2 @ 09:14 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
If Marshall got thrown under the bus, he threw himself under the bus. A good co-ordinator develops a game plan and a scheme that fits the personnel he has, what they do best. How long have we fans known that other than Kerney, the front four is not getting a sustained pass rush? Well, Marshall has to have known that for even longer, blitzing is the only way we get pressure. And yet vs. Arizona, and vs. Dallas (and name any other game), we didn't get pressure with the front four and the D playing in a zone. Yet he repeatedly does it. John Marshall is incompetent, and everyone except Holmgren seems to see it. As for Grant, just once I'd like to see a player have the balls to stick by a statement instead of backing down when they get pressured by a coach or some hack GM like Ruskell. And FBGHooper, whoever the hell you are, shove the sanctimonious attitude. Blogs are for opinions and not "just the facts", I like what they bring to this blog. You want fawning over players and staff? Go read those half-assed fan run sites.
tcbaytown @ 09:29 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Sekolah,
It's a secondary point, but it emphasizes what I am saying.....make sure you have all the facts correct before you pass judgement.

2000
Round Pos Player College
1a (12) Choice to Washington
1b (23) * DB Rashard Anderson Jackson State
2 (57) # S Deon Grant Tennessee
3 (82) G Leander Jordan Indiana (PA)
4a (112) Choice to Denver
4b (120) % DT Alvin McKinley Mississippi State
5 (147) DE Gillis Wilson Southern
6 (182) G Jeno James Auburn
7 (221) LB Lester Towns Washington
* Choice obtained from Miami in exchange for 1998 2 (44)
# Choice obtained from Tampa Bay along with 4 (120) in exchange for 2 (51)
% Choice obtained from Tampa Bay along with 2 (57) in exchange for 2 (51)
BobbyK @ 11:20 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Marshall is clearly incompetent in creating those two-on-one matchups. Why is it that a guy like Jim Johnson or Monte Kiffin can get good results from sililar talent? It's frustrating (unless you have that smart/innovative coach on your side).
madpunter88 @ 15:28 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Wow, the Panthers had a horrible draft in 2000.
klm008 @ 18:14 - Thursday, December 4th, 2008 Email
Lofa has had to live with Marshal in his ear all season. He has been uncharacteristically out of position all season long. Just coincidence?

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