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Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008
Posted by Frank Hughes @ 09:53:50 am
THe NFL announced today that Jets defensive end Shaun Ellis has been fined $10k for throwing that snow boulder into the sdands at Sunday's game. Ellis said, "It was all in fun."
Here is a link to a story in the New York Daily News that says the Jets have talked to defensive end Shaun Ellis about hucking the snow boulder into the stands.
In case you missed Holmgren's quote yesterday regarding all the snowballs, here is what he said: “First of all, the people at our stadium don’t see snow that much, so it had to be a tremendous novelty, you know? So I know if my grandkids were up there, and there was a snowball sitting right there—and they’re good kids, they’re not mean kids—it’d be pretty hard for them not to throw it. No one got hurt, which is a good thing, and the best thing we can do probably, is [work on] our preparation in getting the snow out of the stadium if it should ever happen again. That’s a big deal. We had to deal with all that in Green Bay all the time. All the time. Cleaning the stadium before the game started. I’m glad no one got hurt, and I don’t think anyone’s trying to hurt anybody, it’s just Christmas, and there’s snowballs, so here we go.”
Two thoughts: These were not grandkids up there throwing snowballs, they are adults. And, it's a difficult position for Holmgren to be in because he certainly doesn't want to criticize a 12th Man who has been so supportive over the years, but I have to think he didn't appreciate nearly getting hit in the noggin on several occasions.
Here is a column Dave Boling wrote for today's paper criticizing the snowball throwers.
One man's opinion: I was on the field at the time, and I certainly didn't get the feeling that the snowballs were "all in fun," as many have suggested. There was definitely a hint of meanness in the actions. For those on the sidelines, you had to keep one eye on the field and one on the stands to make sure you weren't plunked in the head. And believe me, when an ice ball comes from the upper deck from a couple hundred feet above and hits the ground with a heavy thud or hits somebody in the head -- as I saw one hit the line judge -- it is not "in fun." The line judge went down on one knee and looked like he was close to being knocked out. This was not a friendly little scrap between teenagers with fluffy snow. There was definitely a sense of anarchy. Take that for what it's worth.
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It is not a stupid fine. It was not a snow ball made by crunching freash snow into a little ball. The only way to pick up a piece like he did is if there is ice holding it together. As a small boy growing up in Snoqualmie I grabed a fist sized chunk and tossed it at a buddy. He was hurt and bleeding from the hit. My intent was pure. the result was not.
If only Bill Leavy had been the referee...
What a sandy vag! It was snow, they wear helmets! Waiting for that idiotic Sounder left a lot of use in snowball range, boo-hoo! We got hit by snowballs, it was total bedlam!
This is what is wrong with football fans and sports fans, in general. Football is a game where people play with mean intentions. People get hurt and ripped apart, people have died. It isn't a family event, it's an event for men and women that don't have many outlets during their normal day-to-day lives to yell, curse, and act silly. Should people be complete a-holes? No. Should some blue language and snowball tossing be expected? Yes!
Blah!
This is what is wrong with football fans and sports fans, in general. Football is a game where people play with mean intentions. People get hurt and ripped apart, people have died. It isn't a family event, it's an event for men and women that don't have many outlets during their normal day-to-day lives to yell, curse, and act silly. Should people be complete a-holes? No. Should some blue language and snowball tossing be expected? Yes!
Blah!
Your right ProblemSolved, he had a bad day. As a Seahawk fan, I am very happy how our guys played to give coach the right send off for his last game. here is the amazing part, I am still able to look past my own team and respect the performance of other players.
Your reaction to him seems like you might be repressing your attraction to him so that is why you ignore the big picture so you can rant. You tipped your hand by calling him "Lady Farve". Try to get past your emotions and ask why EVERYONE else agrees he will be a first ballot hall of famer.
"People have died", what ever grip you have enjoyed in the past is slipping away from you. Assuming you had a grip to begin with.
Your reaction to him seems like you might be repressing your attraction to him so that is why you ignore the big picture so you can rant. You tipped your hand by calling him "Lady Farve". Try to get past your emotions and ask why EVERYONE else agrees he will be a first ballot hall of famer.
"People have died", what ever grip you have enjoyed in the past is slipping away from you. Assuming you had a grip to begin with.
The intent of the fine is to prevent this action from happening in the future. Worst case scenario is a player/team/NFL is fined because a fan is seriously hurt from a snowball (or anything else) thrown by an NFL employee.
The NFL hopes that the threat of a $10,000 fine will stop players from throwing stuff into the stands in the future.
The NFL hopes that the threat of a $10,000 fine will stop players from throwing stuff into the stands in the future.
To be honest!!! I have been a fan of the Seahawks ever since I could remember. I have gone to multiple games and have loved almost every one until this year!
I went to the 49ers game and the Cardinals game. I brought my 4 year old boy to his first Seahawk game and we were seated pretty high up. It started out great and then 4 young girls sat behind us and that was then end of the fun for us. They were screaming obsecenities and drinking so much that my 4 year old boy was crying the whole time. I had to leave with my boy because they were so bad and he was so upset. Luckily security came and removed two of the girls and the other two girls were quite but this was in the 3rd quarter.
The Cardinals game was not even plesent for my wife and I. It started out great and then half way through the 1st quarter these 5 guys show up and they were completely trashed. One of them told me to move because he was a season ticket holder and wanted my seat. I stood up to him and said no way i paid for these seats. The rest of the time all of the guys were swearing and dropping beer all over me and everyone around us.
My point being that I am starting to be ashamed of some of the 12th man! The snowballs I understand and it was all in fun.
Not very happy with our fans right now and especially these cocky season ticket holders. I would love to sit next to friendly people who love watching the Hawks play even if we lose!
I talked to a Chargers fan today and he stated that the 12th man is becoming known around the NFL as becoming the worst fans. Hmmmmm!!! I wonder who else thinks that way?
I went to the 49ers game and the Cardinals game. I brought my 4 year old boy to his first Seahawk game and we were seated pretty high up. It started out great and then 4 young girls sat behind us and that was then end of the fun for us. They were screaming obsecenities and drinking so much that my 4 year old boy was crying the whole time. I had to leave with my boy because they were so bad and he was so upset. Luckily security came and removed two of the girls and the other two girls were quite but this was in the 3rd quarter.
The Cardinals game was not even plesent for my wife and I. It started out great and then half way through the 1st quarter these 5 guys show up and they were completely trashed. One of them told me to move because he was a season ticket holder and wanted my seat. I stood up to him and said no way i paid for these seats. The rest of the time all of the guys were swearing and dropping beer all over me and everyone around us.
My point being that I am starting to be ashamed of some of the 12th man! The snowballs I understand and it was all in fun.
Not very happy with our fans right now and especially these cocky season ticket holders. I would love to sit next to friendly people who love watching the Hawks play even if we lose!
I talked to a Chargers fan today and he stated that the 12th man is becoming known around the NFL as becoming the worst fans. Hmmmmm!!! I wonder who else thinks that way?
idaho. I have been a season ticket holder since nearly the beginning, missing only the UDub years. I have not noticed any change in the fans in all these years. I sit 9 rows up in the south end zone, section 221, and no body is out of control or they are quickly removed. It is still a football loving fun crowd. Even this year when we have been losing. Sorry you had a bad time but I never have, especially at Qwest.
Yeah, what he said.
Frankly, I thought the fans in the Kingdome were way way more obnoxious than the current breed of Seahawks fans... two reasons, IMHO, one is that the team has had some more success and so we've got more "bandwagon" aka Mariner type fans in the house, two is that the building is so nice people know it's a great place to see a football game even if they aren't huge football fans.
I have distinct memories of a Denver Broncos game where one of the Seahawks faithful was so obnoxious in the Kingdome that a female Broncos fan left in tears... and he never touched her, or got up in her face... just said a few things in a mock "under his breath" sort of way... it was rather hysterical, actually.
That and draining King Beers so they could be refilled... we were 32 rows from the nearest bathroom... hey, I ain't proud of it, but it's our history as the 12th Man.
Anyone who thinks the crowd now is worse than it was, is just an idiot, pure and simple.
You want a sense of anarchy? Try attending a Raiders at Seahawks game in the Kingdome and sitting in the cheap seats...
Frankly, I thought the fans in the Kingdome were way way more obnoxious than the current breed of Seahawks fans... two reasons, IMHO, one is that the team has had some more success and so we've got more "bandwagon" aka Mariner type fans in the house, two is that the building is so nice people know it's a great place to see a football game even if they aren't huge football fans.
I have distinct memories of a Denver Broncos game where one of the Seahawks faithful was so obnoxious in the Kingdome that a female Broncos fan left in tears... and he never touched her, or got up in her face... just said a few things in a mock "under his breath" sort of way... it was rather hysterical, actually.
That and draining King Beers so they could be refilled... we were 32 rows from the nearest bathroom... hey, I ain't proud of it, but it's our history as the 12th Man.
Anyone who thinks the crowd now is worse than it was, is just an idiot, pure and simple.
You want a sense of anarchy? Try attending a Raiders at Seahawks game in the Kingdome and sitting in the cheap seats...
What is the NFL supposed to do? Seriously. If they do not fine him then what? They are telling NFL players the opposite of what they have told them all along. I think $10K is the minimum they can charge for something like this.
As for Holmy- think about it- great quotes by the way. But basically in a very nice way he called all of the fans in Seattle who threw snoballs- CHILDREN.
This whole thing is getting blown way out of proportion. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and just get over it. Snowballs are fun. Football is fun. Losers are pansies.
Its not like we were in Cleveland throwing beer bottles!
As for Holmy- think about it- great quotes by the way. But basically in a very nice way he called all of the fans in Seattle who threw snoballs- CHILDREN.
This whole thing is getting blown way out of proportion. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and just get over it. Snowballs are fun. Football is fun. Losers are pansies.
Its not like we were in Cleveland throwing beer bottles!
"You want a sense of anarchy? Try attending a Raiders at Seahawks game in the Kingdome and sitting in the cheap seats..." Those were crazy games, no doubt. But I've also attended a few Seahawk games in Oakland and I'll tell you that nothing I've seen in Seattle has ever come close to that. From the parking lot before the game until you're in the car, back on the freeway, if you're wearing anything but silver and black trouble is looking for you. I've been to a games in a few different stadiums and anyone who thinks Seattle fans are some of the worst is a total reactionary and very sheltered.
I've attended only one Hawks game in the new stadium. I took my father before he passed away, and we sat in the endzone with the "crazies" (not sure how else to describe the fans who get on TV with the mullet wigs). We both got a kick out of the fan antics, even when some drunken Redskins fans nearly brawled with some drunken Hawks fans.
The experience did not necessarily make me want to attend a lot of games, and I certainly would not bring my 4-year-old or wife if I had those same seats. But I'm glad I went.
The experience did not necessarily make me want to attend a lot of games, and I certainly would not bring my 4-year-old or wife if I had those same seats. But I'm glad I went.
Idaho, I know what you're talking about. I had season tickets in Husky stadium days and the first two years of Seahawk Stadium, I'd take my youngest son. There were drunks screaming obscenities all game long, with women and children all around. Real class, too bad all of it is 4th. I saw some guy wearing a 49ers jersey at one game being assaulted after a game. It's the biggest reason I stopped renewing my season tickets, and haven't been back.
"What a sandy vag! It was snow, they wear helmets! Waiting for that idiotic Sounder left a lot of use in snowball range, boo-hoo! We got hit by snowballs, it was total bedlam!
This is what is wrong with football fans and sports fans, in general. Football is a game where people play with mean intentions. People get hurt and ripped apart, people have died. It isn't a family event, it's an event for men and women that don't have many outlets during their normal day-to-day lives to yell, curse, and act silly. Should people be complete a-holes? No. Should some blue language and snowball tossing be expected? Yes!
Blah!"
You'd have loved the gladitorial games in ancient Rome, I'm guessing. This confirms what I've said for some time, that "sports", especially on the professional level, is the modern day 'circus' part of bread and circuses from those long ago times. You talk like people being "torn apart" or killed is something that is supposed to happen and is expectd. I watch sporting events because I like to see athletic talent performing at a high level, not because I think it's an outlet for animalistic behavior by 21st century Neanderthals who revel in seeing pain and suffering inflicted on other human beings. Football is supposed to be entertaining, not a blood spectacle to amuse lower life forms.
"What a sandy vag! It was snow, they wear helmets! Waiting for that idiotic Sounder left a lot of use in snowball range, boo-hoo! We got hit by snowballs, it was total bedlam!
This is what is wrong with football fans and sports fans, in general. Football is a game where people play with mean intentions. People get hurt and ripped apart, people have died. It isn't a family event, it's an event for men and women that don't have many outlets during their normal day-to-day lives to yell, curse, and act silly. Should people be complete a-holes? No. Should some blue language and snowball tossing be expected? Yes!
Blah!"
You'd have loved the gladitorial games in ancient Rome, I'm guessing. This confirms what I've said for some time, that "sports", especially on the professional level, is the modern day 'circus' part of bread and circuses from those long ago times. You talk like people being "torn apart" or killed is something that is supposed to happen and is expectd. I watch sporting events because I like to see athletic talent performing at a high level, not because I think it's an outlet for animalistic behavior by 21st century Neanderthals who revel in seeing pain and suffering inflicted on other human beings. Football is supposed to be entertaining, not a blood spectacle to amuse lower life forms.
We have had seasons tickets in Row A since 2002 -- the last time we had a heavy snow during a game was the Monday night game a couple of seasons back when the Packers came to town. The fans did not throw snowballs at that game. This game, with about 5 minutes left, the fans started throwing snowballs onto the field, around the sidelines and during the entire time Mike Holmgren was doing his goodbye walk around the field. The snowballs were unnecessary, were distracting and were demeaning; some were thrown from very high up and would have been dangerous if they had hit someone without a helmet on, which there are plenty around the sidelines. I'm just glad it wasn't a nationally televised game. We were disappointed and embarrassed by the fans' behavior.
Football is not a family sport.
I said football players are torn apart and destroyed. We've become so desensitized and dishonest that we think a torn ACL is no biggie, or a leg breaking backwards is highlight-worthy. I do not enjoy these facts, but they are the facts. Just because you bring your kid to a game does not mean that it's all of a suddden Leave It To Beaver time. I used to bring my kid to games until her first Raider game, then I opted not to bring her, instead of crying about how anarchy rules and all that crap.
I go to games, I am pretty decent, although I will swear from time to time (I'll howl an f-bomd when Hasselback gets sacked, or something, no name calling). The family section is at home.
I said football players are torn apart and destroyed. We've become so desensitized and dishonest that we think a torn ACL is no biggie, or a leg breaking backwards is highlight-worthy. I do not enjoy these facts, but they are the facts. Just because you bring your kid to a game does not mean that it's all of a suddden Leave It To Beaver time. I used to bring my kid to games until her first Raider game, then I opted not to bring her, instead of crying about how anarchy rules and all that crap.
I go to games, I am pretty decent, although I will swear from time to time (I'll howl an f-bomd when Hasselback gets sacked, or something, no name calling). The family section is at home.
What? Football is not a family sport???? Oh man where are you from? Football is one of the cornerstones of America and almost any family for many generations now. Do you not see all the advertisements from the NFL and when you go to Qwest stadium regarding a family atmosphere? WOW! What a joke man!
Nighthawk2, I did watch Easley play from 1st year out of UCLA, and I would never scream obscenities in the stands, especially around kids. I have a 9-year-old. I was merely referring to your uptightness and litigiousness. "Sue Shawn Ellis"??? Are you out of your mind?
And I'm not going to comment on how stupid your general football comments were and are.
I'm done with this discussion.
And I'm not going to comment on how stupid your general football comments were and are.
I'm done with this discussion.
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